As mentioned in my previous post - viewtopic.php?p=11360#p11360 - I've recently come into possession of a number of Transmitters that are screaming out for resuscitation & rebirth. This post is to share them with the Forum before each becomes the subject of separate posts as they get gigafied.
First is a Skyleader on 27MHz. Its a 4 channel version, but I don't know what model it is, never previously having seen one in the flesh (that I can recall). My knowledge of Skyleaders is based on prolific reading of the English mags as a kid/teen and then what I've gleaned through this great Forum.
This Skyleader on first examination is in mint condition. It doesn't appear to have ever been used in a diesel/glo/petrol model. The inside is just as clean. There is a cap on the top of the case to facilitate changing plug in crystals, which I think marks it as a later model? Does the serial number on the PCB provide any clues Mr K?
Next is an RCS S/C Tx. I'm not sure if this is the genuine article or a reproduction, because the case is clad in a brown wood-grain vinyl that has shrunk and wrinkled in a few places, as shown in the pictures.
The inside is very clean and appears to be of the appropriate period. The meter looks similar to the meter off an early square brown plastic cased Futaba. Did the RCS S/C trannies have a meter?
More trannies in the next post.
More Tx's for Resuscitation & Rebirth
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Re: More Tx's for Resuscitation & Rebirth
Hi Wayne
It's a Skyleader SL and were built between 1969 and 1972. It was the first Skyleader with the familiar yellow vinyl clad case and their first to use the Kraft Hayes joysticks. They used numerous different types of meter, so yours may look slightly different to some other SL. Sorry all my transmitters are in storage, so I've used an old photo of some of my SL.
The RCS looks to have a genuine pcb, key and on/off switches, badge etc, but the case looks home-built. Did somebody damage the original case and do a transplant?
Cheers
Mike
It's a Skyleader SL and were built between 1969 and 1972. It was the first Skyleader with the familiar yellow vinyl clad case and their first to use the Kraft Hayes joysticks. They used numerous different types of meter, so yours may look slightly different to some other SL. Sorry all my transmitters are in storage, so I've used an old photo of some of my SL.
The RCS looks to have a genuine pcb, key and on/off switches, badge etc, but the case looks home-built. Did somebody damage the original case and do a transplant?
Cheers
Mike
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Many thanks Mike for the quick response, much appreciated.
So, an SL from 1969-72: Most chuffed - its older than I thought which makes it's condition all the more impressive! That decides it - another conversion coming up Not sure how I'm going to get all this stuff back to Aus., but I'm sure that I'll work it out
I know very little about the RCS & unfortunately, the original owner landed on the big runway in the sky before I made it to NZ. I'll have a closer look - maybe the case is original but for some reason has been wrapped in woodgrain vinyl. The existing case is 130W x 50D x 160H.
I hope the Weekender is still providing you with some fun.
So, an SL from 1969-72: Most chuffed - its older than I thought which makes it's condition all the more impressive! That decides it - another conversion coming up Not sure how I'm going to get all this stuff back to Aus., but I'm sure that I'll work it out
I know very little about the RCS & unfortunately, the original owner landed on the big runway in the sky before I made it to NZ. I'll have a closer look - maybe the case is original but for some reason has been wrapped in woodgrain vinyl. The existing case is 130W x 50D x 160H.
I hope the Weekender is still providing you with some fun.
Cheers,
Wayne
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Re: More Tx's for Resuscitation & Rebirth
Hi Wayne,
The RCS case definitely isn't original, neither is the on/off switch.
As Mike said the PCB is original. Also no RCS single channel sets had a meter and the wiring wasn't tied together using heat shrink.
Cheers,
Shaun
The RCS case definitely isn't original, neither is the on/off switch.
As Mike said the PCB is original. Also no RCS single channel sets had a meter and the wiring wasn't tied together using heat shrink.
Cheers,
Shaun
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Thanks for the additional detail Shaun. Consequently, I delved a little deeper & took some more pictures:
Wait till you see the next Tx, which shall need some more sleuthing....
Fair to say that whomever did the conversion knew what they were doing Wait till you see the next Tx, which shall need some more sleuthing....
Cheers,
Wayne
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The next Tx is badged as a Micro-Avionics, as is the pcb. Where it gets interesting is that the case is clad in wood grain vinyl, the same as the S/C RCS tx. As you can see from the pictures, the original case is anodised green like some of the F&M or CSE reed or early proportional trannies.
There is some tell-tale corrosion on the pcb that has been cleaned up previously, but there is no evidence of corresponding corrosion on the inside of the case. Perhaps the original case was so corroded, that another case had to be put to use?
The stick mechanisms are different to anything I have seen before. They use a geared arrangement to drive the pots, and a flat wound centering spring with two fingers. My intention with this one is to gently heat the vinyl to hopefully remove it a bit easier. If the green anodised case can be cleaned up, I'd much prefer to have it rather than the vinyl clad version
There is some tell-tale corrosion on the pcb that has been cleaned up previously, but there is no evidence of corresponding corrosion on the inside of the case. Perhaps the original case was so corroded, that another case had to be put to use?
The stick mechanisms are different to anything I have seen before. They use a geared arrangement to drive the pots, and a flat wound centering spring with two fingers. My intention with this one is to gently heat the vinyl to hopefully remove it a bit easier. If the green anodised case can be cleaned up, I'd much prefer to have it rather than the vinyl clad version
Cheers,
Wayne
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Re: More Tx's for Resuscitation & Rebirth
Hi Wayne
The wood-effect vinyl is original, don't take it off! It's probably the back that has been "borrowed" from another Micro-Avionics Tx. And it is one of their early models, the logo changed in the late '60s, so it's a late '60s transmitter, probably older than the Skyleader SL.
I've got a couple of anodised green ones (lovely colour) and a wood-clad effect one I picked up on flea-bay USA years ago, but temporarily in storage. If you look at the R/C hall of fame they have quite a few wood-clad ones as well.
http://www.rchalloffame.org/Manufacture ... index.html
What other delights are you going to post next?!
Cheers
Mike
The wood-effect vinyl is original, don't take it off! It's probably the back that has been "borrowed" from another Micro-Avionics Tx. And it is one of their early models, the logo changed in the late '60s, so it's a late '60s transmitter, probably older than the Skyleader SL.
I've got a couple of anodised green ones (lovely colour) and a wood-clad effect one I picked up on flea-bay USA years ago, but temporarily in storage. If you look at the R/C hall of fame they have quite a few wood-clad ones as well.
http://www.rchalloffame.org/Manufacture ... index.html
What other delights are you going to post next?!
Cheers
Mike
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Re: More Tx's for Resuscitation & Rebirth
Thanks Mike. You got me thinking about the Micro-Avionics Tx so I went back and had a closer look.
The case front and back is anodised green, the woodgrain vinyl being added later. Compare these pictures:
with these two close ups of an original woodgrain Tx off the RC Hall of Fame website.
From what I can tell zooming in on the RC Hall of Fame pictures, those meters are all predominantly white.
I'm pretty sure now that the Tx started out as a green cased version, similar to this one on the RC Hall of Fame website
The case front and back is anodised green, the woodgrain vinyl being added later. Compare these pictures:
with these two close ups of an original woodgrain Tx off the RC Hall of Fame website.
From what I can tell zooming in on the RC Hall of Fame pictures, those meters are all predominantly white.
I'm pretty sure now that the Tx started out as a green cased version, similar to this one on the RC Hall of Fame website
Cheers,
Wayne
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Hi Wayne,
Your Micro-Avionics is interesting. It is an original green case that somebody covered with wood grain adhesive shelf paper.
The originals were all green, with the green and silver border logo on the front. The circuit board is from the 1st version of the Micro-Avionics and is a beautiful example of Don Mathes work. The wood grain is going the wrong way on yours, as it was oriented vertically on the originals.
The 1st wood grained versions were the XL series, next, was the ill fated XL-IC versions with orange cased airborne components. Micro-Avionics got all their parts from Orbit, including the meters, cases, servo mechanics, sticks and hardware. As such, they used whatever meters they could get at the time. If Orbit was out of stock of the newer silver faced meters, they supplied the earlier white face meters. Later, they ordered green/black meters for just the Micro Avionics, but ran out of stock and went back to using the earlier meters which they plenty of in stock. Electromechanical Corp of Perkasie Pennsylvania made these meters and they were used in Kraft, EK Logictrol, Orbit, RS, and many other USA brands. They could be special ordered with your company name and logo on the meter, but that took time and was expensive, so many companies, like Orbit, ordered the generic ones when they needed them right away.
The ill fated XL-IC series was plagued by the 1st generation Motorola MC- TTL series of JK flip flops that proved to be very unreliable and problematic due to them not being humidity proof and absorbing moisture. They would have logic problems and jump channels such that the channels would work, but on different sticks!!! This cause many crashes and problems because Motorola was aware of the issue but would not divulge it to their customers. Bob Novak was the designer and engineer in charge of the XL-IC series and it would have been a huge success had it not used the defective Motorola logic chips. In short order, Orbit sold out to Datatron and that included Micro-Avionics as well. Orbit had kept this a secret up until they sold, but after Datatron absorbed Orbit and Micro Avionics, they combined them into one company and changed the color to Orange, and used Orbit circuit boards in all of the systems to simplify things.
Your Micro-Avionics is interesting. It is an original green case that somebody covered with wood grain adhesive shelf paper.
The originals were all green, with the green and silver border logo on the front. The circuit board is from the 1st version of the Micro-Avionics and is a beautiful example of Don Mathes work. The wood grain is going the wrong way on yours, as it was oriented vertically on the originals.
The 1st wood grained versions were the XL series, next, was the ill fated XL-IC versions with orange cased airborne components. Micro-Avionics got all their parts from Orbit, including the meters, cases, servo mechanics, sticks and hardware. As such, they used whatever meters they could get at the time. If Orbit was out of stock of the newer silver faced meters, they supplied the earlier white face meters. Later, they ordered green/black meters for just the Micro Avionics, but ran out of stock and went back to using the earlier meters which they plenty of in stock. Electromechanical Corp of Perkasie Pennsylvania made these meters and they were used in Kraft, EK Logictrol, Orbit, RS, and many other USA brands. They could be special ordered with your company name and logo on the meter, but that took time and was expensive, so many companies, like Orbit, ordered the generic ones when they needed them right away.
The ill fated XL-IC series was plagued by the 1st generation Motorola MC- TTL series of JK flip flops that proved to be very unreliable and problematic due to them not being humidity proof and absorbing moisture. They would have logic problems and jump channels such that the channels would work, but on different sticks!!! This cause many crashes and problems because Motorola was aware of the issue but would not divulge it to their customers. Bob Novak was the designer and engineer in charge of the XL-IC series and it would have been a huge success had it not used the defective Motorola logic chips. In short order, Orbit sold out to Datatron and that included Micro-Avionics as well. Orbit had kept this a secret up until they sold, but after Datatron absorbed Orbit and Micro Avionics, they combined them into one company and changed the color to Orange, and used Orbit circuit boards in all of the systems to simplify things.
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Re: More Tx's for Resuscitation & Rebirth
Thanks Jay for your detailed response - it ties all the odd features of this Tx together
(Original) Green it shall be
(Original) Green it shall be
Cheers,
Wayne
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